A steel gear shouldn’t cost a price difference of US$400 with nylon gear. I took my time and tried to make a very clean and finished product. Just don’t. What warranty? One of my biggest complaints about the Ultra Max is the chainring adapter. Luna cycle admitted that this was taken out of a new motor. All the roads around me are county gravel roads or rough BLM dirt roads. When deciding what to equip the Apex with, they really spared no expense with the optional $1800 Rohloff IGH and $600 carbon fiber rims. I love how frankly you describe the bike and it’s pros and cons. That’s $14,000. The tires are the only limit, the lowest gear is so low, torque is never an issue. I m still riding a 33 mph rear hub ebike for about 1/2 the price, totally solid descending at 40 mph on a Tidalforce S aluminum frame. Battery Power Adapter Cable (From "O" ring to Anderson Plug) Optional Parts: 1. Choose from current 26 working coupon codes and deals for Luna Cycle to grab great savings this February. Do We Care? When you can buy perfectly good cars for <$500 it’s hard to justify spending $5000+ on an ebike, but the Apex is the first ebike I’ve seen in that price range that is actually worth the money. It is hands down the nicest drive mechanism I have ever used. It's the best time for you to save your money with Luna Cycle promo codes and offers at Sayweee.com. I’m seriously considering doing a review of the Giant Roam. Got the Lauf fork + rohloff option. But now it’s offered something completely new: a stealthy electric fixie-style bike. To anyone considering the Rohloff : suck it up, and just buy the damn thing, they are worth every penny. Change ). Not only did the startup at higher power levels feel insanely sketchy, they were burning out nylon gears left and right at high speeds. It will in 2018. @Doug, the Nuvinci would not survive the 2500W Ultra Max. The comment about the ebike reviewer explains why every low-power piece of eurotrash he reviews gets an “I really like it!” Sure, buddy. Change ), You are commenting using your Twitter account. After a lot of head banging and cutting the power of the drive unit down to 1/20 of the original power from a standstill I ended up getting a drive unit that performed the way I thought it should. On the trails, the Apex did better than I expected it to. Pingback: I Void Warranties : Hacking The Bafang Ultra Max Mid-Drive Ebike Drive | ElectricBike-Blog.com. Luna just put cheap Chinesse carbon frame called: "Dengfu". This reviewer is not making money off the advertising, he’s making a killing fleecing ebike companies for crappy review after crappy review. Just that with the mount, I would assume everything is bottom or rear but I read on another forum that the battery connectors are through the mount on top. I love your blog. Do We Care? Riding the Apex on the street feels like what you think a $5000+ ebike should feel like and pedaling the Ultra Max drive really makes you feel like Clark Kent. The only thing I can nit pit about the bike is the tires. About Luna Cycle. United States. With the Rohloff you have super low end range as well as pedal along at 40mph. If you find a cheap fatty frame for the Ultra Max let me know. The wires come out on top. The rear swingarm is a single pivot design which works better than most single pivots I have ridden. Get it as soon as Fri, Feb 5. They are only 27 TPI. Maybe the Maxxis Mammoth tires offered are thicker but the tires choices are not spec out. Normally going 40mph on an ebike is pretty sketchy. Riding the Apex was my first experience with the $1800 Rohloff carbon IGH and I have to say it was love at first ride. Luna Cycles is committed to bringing to the world the most awesome ebikes and ebike kits at never seen before prices. Easy thing to fix, just gotta ride 1400 miles and replace worn tires with 120 TPI tires. Using the following example of "Rear left speed sensor faulty", we will explain the diagnostics work required for an active wheel speed sensor. I will probably never own one of these IGHs because I’m just too damn cheap, but I have to say that you would be a fool to order this ebike without this hub. Lunacycle had been having a lot of issues getting the programming on the Ultra Max drive right and it seemed like even the Bafang engineers didn’t know what the settings in their own firmware programming does. I test drove Kyle’s Fusion Roam with a 34Ah pack when I was in LA. Ok, Finally finished the project. The carbon rims are supposed to be nigh-indestructible, but I was too afraid to really thrash on them. Hope you do one for standard Ultra also, PIA to order Ludicrous to Finland. The Rohloff hub allowed me to always pedal along at a comfortable cadence which further added to the illusion of this product as a bicycle. 66 were here. Luna X1 Enduro on Sale at its lowest point Ever! Link to his Frey thread which also has good info Never miss your chance to enjoy 35% Off Luna Cycle … Hopefully they get everything sorted out. The sensor monitors several different engine and transmission functions and sends the information to the on-board computer. I do like the Fusion and it closely reflects my current build, only thing is – does the Max motor offer better torque, speed, power usage or anything else that make it worthwhile purchasing over a BBSHD. There are several different versions, and although I like the 4 bolt BCD 104 pattern, most of the newer Ultra Max’s seem to have the much larger 5 hole BCD 110 pattern which means you’re not going to be able to mount anything smaller than a 40T chainring on it. The lighter the ebike is and the skinnier the tires the worse the feeling gets. In Alibaba you can get the Ultra kit under US$600 instead at Luna for US$1,000. Considering that Optibike has been in business for years I’d say that there is a market for higher priced e-bikes, and considering a few people in this thread, myself included, bought an Apex I’d say that there’s a market for that too. It will be reposted at some point in the future. The main problem is that the more power you want to put through your motor, the more sensitive the torque sensing system needs to be. My personal favorite for riding in deep snow is still the cheapo $1000ish Sunkiss Deadeye Monster with a BBSHD Ludicrous controller, 30T chainring and a Nexus 3-speed IGH. It’s awesome. Join the revolution now! Hall Sensor Adapter Cable (from DJ7061A-2.3-11 to DJ7061Y-2.8-21 Plug) 5. Just write in google: Dengfu Bafang frame. Luna Cycle is proud to be one of 2 distributors of the Gearsensor in the United States. I didn’t try jumping the Apex and in all honesty, I can’t recommend that. The Apex is the first ebike I’ve ever ridden that I would classify as ‘serious transportation choice’. So I do see great value in the Apex. When the pedal cadence is too high at high speeds, it always triggers that fear reflex in your mind, like maybe you really are going too fast. High performance meets high quality. Honestly, I was nervous giving this much money to a company that I haven’t had any previous business with but watching Eric’s videos and reading this review definitely helped. Luna Cycle December 22, 2020 at 1:53 PM For people who want to test ride a Surron or BBSHD bike this xmas s ... eason and who prefer in person service....check out Bike Craze in Anaheim which has Surrons in Stock! Luna Cycle told me that if anything was damaged they would replace. Thanks for your article. Kyle is pretty obsessive about that. I decided last week to go full out and use an IGH and have been looking at the Shimano Alfine 11 speed with Di2 electronic shifter or the Rohloff Speedhub with the new E14 electronic shifter. I’m wondering if Luna will sell those as after-market spares in case I need to repair mine sometime in the future? I think this is because at 2500W the Ultra Max is almost too powerful and the rider needs to offer a little restraint. 4. Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. I ordered an Apex about 6 weeks ago and now have a better understanding why it is taking so long to build. My reviewing fee? I’m just about to slice the old bottom bracket off and weld on the aluminium motor bracket so that’s daunting but it seems from your excellent article that I’m making the right choice. ( Log Out /  My custom built was with Hardtail aluminum frame, dual suspension add another US$200. I’ve driven from NY to LA 3 times in the last 2 years on my own dime to hang out at Lunacycle and spend a few days thrashing on his newest ebikes. which is the Apex equivalent in a more traditional non FAT MTB frame, if they eve decide to produce it.:). Vulcan - The Vulcan, unlike the Vengeance, has hydraulic disk brakes instead of mechanical disk brakes. I still smashed the drive unit once or twice on rocks and logs even though it is up pretty high. No One Gives A Rat's Ass About Your 'Street Legal' Ebike : Build Something Awesome. The Rohloff allows you to comfortably pedal along at 35mph+ as well as have a fast pedaling cadence when riding up a 30-degree slope from a standstill. The Apex exceeded my expectations on the street and was a decent single track trail ebike to boot. Kudos to Luna for continuing to push the envelope and advance the industry. I have a hard time watching perfectly good cars go to the junkyard and they become kind of like the uncared for pets of a pet hoarder as they sit and rust in my yard. ( Log Out /  ( I will be adding hydraulic brakes later) Luna 860C Full Color Display Gear Shift Sensor Universal Thumb Throttle Wrong dropout width, the Rhino is a 145mm. Luke and Kyle tested the bike pretty extensively and they agreed. Everything is inside the frame. 48V, 60V, 72V TFT750C Colorful Display (with 5-level PAS, Speed Limit, Speed Display, Voltage Selection, Start Mode, Regenerative Braking Function) The carbon battery case is removable with 2 hex screws and has a magnetic charging connector. https://electricbike.com/forum/forum/ask-lunacycle/luna-cycle-new-ebikes/46227-luna-apollo The Apex is the first ebike I’ve ridden at over 35mph on the street that I was not afraid of. | ElectricBike-Blog.com. When I turned the spin bike’s resistance knob to around 130W(ish) actual power, the results were pretty much exactly the same for the estimated power coming from the speed sensor as they were during the no resistance test. Ha ha. Probably the nicest skinny-tired road bike I’ve ridden with unheard of speed and range. NOTES: E20 CH NTC Sensor Fault 1- Take an ohm reading of the CH NTC sensor using chart A. Im sure it will brake the market price. If you love it, buy it. Shop all products from Luna Innovations Incorporated. XT60 & XT90 With Spark Arrestors : Why You Should Make The Switch, Only 2500W factory built torque sensing ebike on the market, Lots of different options to choose from when you order it, Not your parents ebike, nothing on the market looks like this bike, 28Ah custom carbon ebike pack with a potted BMS and potted 21700 format cells, Weight (too heavy) – Bike tested with carbon Luna front fork (not recommended), carbon Rolhoff, 28Ah pack and carbon rims, Better as a commuter then as a serious trail bike, Warranty? Although it can be neutered to be made street legal, you absolutely would never ever want to do that. How can you possibly produce an objective review of a product when you’re getting the ebike for free and $750. PLUS, a good enough trail bike to be able to go off road, way off road. There is just no way to milk these Ultra Max motors for the kind of torque I want when the front chainring is so large. 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